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Jed Desemone
September 12th, 2012, 02:58 PM
hey i poke around here from time to time. I would really like to make my own LED DRLs for my 2013 Genesis Coupe. My idea is to turn the Ribbon part into the DRL much like the Sonata Hybrid or the Genesis Sedan. now what LEDs should i use? i was going to use these (http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flexible-strips-and-bars/wflb-xx-series-waterproof-led-flexible-light-bar/48/) and Vacuum form a new ribbon out of acrylic and mount that LED strip inside. or my second idea was to again vacuum form a new ribbon and then evenly drill holes in it to poke an LED through, but im a complete noob at wiring so that would be a headache for me, thats why i was wanting to try and use a pre-made strip. im completely open to tips tricks and criticism. if i use white acrylic my guess is it would illuminate like the Sedan, if i use clear, like the sonata. ill be adding the Morimoto Mini H1's while im in there also

Edit: that LED strip will be to big, back to looking for a smaller strip.

1rst picture is credit to Flyryde of a dissected 2013 genesis coupe headlight
2nd picture is my headlights
3rd/4th picture is the Sonata Hybrid headlight DRLs
5th pic is the Genesis Sedan

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/2013-Genesis-Coupe-Custom-Paint.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/user8478_pic6914_1331944723.png
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/2011-hyundai-sonata-hybrid-headlight-photo-360033-s-520x318.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/DSCN0382.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/IMAG0267.jpg

gold94corolla
September 12th, 2012, 03:33 PM
I was thinking that this (in white) might work well for your exact setup.

http://autolumination.com/led_neon.html

soundman98
September 12th, 2012, 08:40 PM
if those strips he was looking at are too big, those might be as well..

in the second image, is that strip already illuminated on your car? it almost looks like it to me.. i haven't kept up on the 13's as i liked the previous body style better..

Jed Desemone
September 13th, 2012, 09:18 AM
if those strips he was looking at are too big, those might be as well..

in the second image, is that strip already illuminated on your car? it almost looks like it to me.. i haven't kept up on the 13's as i liked the previous body style better..

no nothing is illuminated from the factory

soundman98
September 13th, 2012, 05:27 PM
ok.
so i think you're onto a good idea using acrylic to spread the light, and had the correct idea at first, even though it wouldn't work due to size constraints..

because the strips need to flex side-to-side instead of up and down, it makes it a little harder.
those strips you originally looked at would be the best-brightest pre-made option, as the next option is those 'audi led strips', and those are just downright dim in almost every direction. i am not aware of any other versions of led strips like that..

so the next option is 'custom premade'. led strips come in 2 different flavors-- 3528 led's-- smaller, closely spaced, and 'ok' light output, and 5050 smd led's-- bigger, brighter, but sometimes spaced a little further apart.

but either version is cuttable every 3 or 5 led's--depending on mfg.

so what you can do is cut up a full strip, solder small lengths of wire between the cuts, and make it appear to curve from behind the plexi, even though the curve is made up of a bunch of small strips..

Jed Desemone
September 13th, 2012, 06:47 PM
ok.
so i think you're onto a good idea using acrylic to spread the light, and had the correct idea at first, even though it wouldn't work due to size constraints..

because the strips need to flex side-to-side instead of up and down, it makes it a little harder.
those strips you originally looked at would be the best-brightest pre-made option, as the next option is those 'audi led strips', and those are just downright dim in almost every direction. i am not aware of any other versions of led strips like that..

so the next option is 'custom premade'. led strips come in 2 different flavors-- 3528 led's-- smaller, closely spaced, and 'ok' light output, and 5050 smd led's-- bigger, brighter, but sometimes spaced a little further apart.

but either version is cuttable every 3 or 5 led's--depending on mfg.

so what you can do is cut up a full strip, solder small lengths of wire between the cuts, and make it appear to curve from behind the plexi, even though the curve is made up of a bunch of small strips..

thanks for the input, that chrome strip is hollow inside but it would be pretty hard to drill and mount individual LEDs. So i think im going to use white acrylic and vac form the chrome piece, then put a strip inside of it. since its not clear it should evenly distribute the light and hide my noobness. so long story short, replicate the Sedans pic. my only issue is i wanted it to be visible during the day but this way it wont be, ohwells

soundman98
September 13th, 2012, 07:45 PM
if you frost the acrylic, you should still be able to get a similar look as the sedan, as well as hide the led strips.

jwlj
September 14th, 2012, 06:13 AM
I was looking at doing something like this for my CX-5 :)
Haven't quite firgured out how to do it just yet.

Thegelman
September 14th, 2012, 09:10 AM
I was looking at doing something like this for my CX-5 :)
Haven't quite firgured out how to do it just yet.

Yeah ive never done anything with leds but would love to do it to the whole brake and reverse lights on my honda

Jed Desemone
September 14th, 2012, 10:53 AM
uggg i am getting so over my head in this stuff lol....im spending today reading and reading. hopefully tomorrow ill open up the headlights and play

soundman98
September 14th, 2012, 08:56 PM
you can always post your questions and i'll try to clear up what i can :)

Jed Desemone
September 15th, 2012, 04:52 PM
you can always post your questions and i'll try to clear up what i can :)

thanks i really appreciate.. im gonna try doing something in the fogs first since this is my daily driver and cant have it down while i have the headlights apart. and that way i can practice first. besides my car doesn't have fogs so a replacement piece is way cheaper then a headlight if i screw it up

Why Does SuperBrightLeds.com say if somehing is ok for cars? what makes it suitable for cars?

Also which one of these will be brighter visually? Strip 1 (http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/rigid-light-bars/rlbn-x30x3smd-series-narrow-rigid-light-bar-w3-chip-leds/99/483/) Strip 2 (http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flexible-strips-and-bars/nfls-x30x3-series-30-high-power-led-flexible-light-strip/874/) will I need some sort of reflector if so what can i use for reflective material? i dont care that the one isnt flexible, im confident i can cut and soder some wire between the two pieces to make a bend if needed. im gonna go pick 2 of those up tomorrow since SBL is about 10min from my house.

soundman98
September 15th, 2012, 05:34 PM
Why Does SuperBrightLeds.com say if somehing is ok for cars? what makes it suitable for cars?

i imagine it has to do with voltage tolerances-- cars will fluctuate between 5-20v at times.. though i'm really not sure, as all the strips i've ever seen say they are rated for 12v regardless of if they are for home or vehicle use...

if you have the time/space to add a voltage regulator, i'd recommend it to limit any effects that could cause.


Also which one of these will be brighter visually? Strip 1 (http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/rigid-light-bars/rlbn-x30x3smd-series-narrow-rigid-light-bar-w3-chip-leds/99/483/) Strip 2 (http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flexible-strips-and-bars/nfls-x30x3-series-30-high-power-led-flexible-light-strip/874/) will I need some sort of reflector if so what can i use for reflective material? i dont care that the one isnt flexible, im confident i can cut and soder some wire between the two pieces to make a bend if needed. im gonna go pick 2 of those up tomorrow since SBL is about 10min from my house.

they ought to be the same brightness-- they both use 5050 led's, and appear to have similar spacing between each led, so as long as they acutally use the same led's, and the same currently limiting resistors, they should be identical in brightness.

i would pick the flexible version-- both because it already has adhesive tape, and because you don't have to worry about conductive traces on the back of the board(either because they don't exist, or already covered)-- where the solid one might have a few, which, depending on the way you mount them, could pose a issue depending on the way they are mounted..

for reflective material, you could use this stuff:
http://www.amazon.com/Trimbrite-T1818-Chrome-Brite-60/dp/B00029XBJ6

it's usually at most car parts stores as well--that's where i usually get it. it just needs some sort of backing material.. i believe it is chromed-mylar film, and while i previously thought that is was completely non-conductive, ophidia31 found that it is slightly conductive if the board it is applied to is flexed. so consider it the 'least conductive' offering.

VegasF6
September 15th, 2012, 07:32 PM
Just going purely from the "specs" (wishful thinking?) listed :

RLBN-x30X3SMD

349 lm/ft Suitable for Vehicles Yes Operating Voltage Range 12 VDC Beam Pattern 120 degree

NFLS-X3 series

313 lm/ft Suitable for Vehicles Yes Operating Voltage Range 9~14.8 VDC Beam Pattern 180 degree (hmm, Id like to see that one)

jwlj
September 15th, 2012, 08:13 PM
Are flexi strips,okay for inside a headlight?
If so,... Heat sinks required?

How would I wire them?


Led strip, voltage reg, drl wiring?
just that?


Seems too simple.

What about long term reliability?

VegasF6
September 15th, 2012, 09:52 PM
Hmm, yes, that is the question isn't it. I don't want to be a total naysayer, but frankly the majority of those led strips are not too great. They are built on a to say the least. That's not to say that all 5050 leds are junk, quite the opposite. Cree for instance makes some very nice 5050 leds, as do a couple others, but noone knows what you are getting there.

On the other hand, I have used 5050 led strips of unknown maker around the house for accent lighting, in fact I have about 2 feet of it shining on my keyboard right now. Its probably been lit for about 3 years now :) Yes, sometimes I turn it off, but quite often I forget. It's probably lost a significant amount of output, but all the leds still work.

It is important to regulate the amount of power going through the leds to control the temperature. It's probably safe to assume a 12V regulator will do the job well enough. You could actually experiment with an adjustable voltage regulator, or the 12V regulator in conjunction with an appropriately rated silicon diode to further drop current to the strip.

Inside a headlight is definitely an unfriendly environment, but I don't know there is much you can do. The leds are mounted to a polymide film, or tape. It's not a super effective transfer-er of heat, but if you mount it directly to an aluminum strip, it would probably transfer at least some of the heat. However, since this strip of aluminum would also be inside the headlight, I don't see much point. Instead you would need a route to transfer that heat to the surrounding air outside the housing.

I guess your best bet is to just keep the power levels down and live with the fact that the leds might fail. Unless you can instead find a way to mount them outside your housing.

*edit* OOPS. I meant to say the are built on a BUDGET to say the least.

soundman98
September 15th, 2012, 11:59 PM
exactly what vegas said.

led's love the cold. so while heatsinking is always helpful, in a headlamp, it might end up working in reverse without a lot of design work to exhaust that heat to outside the headlamp..

there is really only one way to know how reliable they are, and that involves buying some..

for wiring, yes, it is that easy.



oh, one last idea i thought of-- but it's pretty complex for a beginning project:

you could get these strips, and add your own quality led's:
http://www.exledshop.com/d.i.y-parts/d.i.y-pcb-printed-circuit-board/d.i.y-pcb-for-eye-line/exled-db1-flexible-d.i.y-bar-pcb-49.5cm-copy.html

jwlj
September 16th, 2012, 03:43 PM
I'm very interested in trying to do something like the OP.
i would really like to make something as close to OEM quality or better if possible.
i am however an LED noob.

soundman98
September 16th, 2012, 07:58 PM
that's the only way to start!

figure out the end-goal, and start trying--that's all i ever do with unknown projects...

Jed Desemone
September 16th, 2012, 07:58 PM
alrighty i ordered 2 of NFLS-X3: NFLS-X3 series High Power LED Flexible Light Strip| and 4 LD1-x: Little Dot SMD LED Accent Light not sure yet what i will do with these but they looked fun lol. hopefully i can pick them up monday or tuesday since SBL is local. and i'll take @soundman98's advice and pick up some regulators, btw would you mind pointing me toward some you would recommend? oh still have to order some Acrylic rod because i cant seem to find any place local that sells it.

Jed Desemone
September 18th, 2012, 10:08 AM
little update, i picked up my LEDs and boy the strips are Super bright. so i started playing around to see what is the best way to get the brightest light from them through the acrylic rods. and also how it diffuses the light. heres a few pics. i just made a basic angel eye to experiment. i also wrapped my strip around it and that was a cool effect. it looked like the new range rover DRLs

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/photobucket-15837-1347980652386.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/photobucket-16670-1347980653314.jpghttp://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/photobucket-23031-1347980650671.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/photobucket-35321-1347980654207.jpg

jwlj
September 18th, 2012, 11:14 AM
where'd you get your rods from? :)
how are you forming them? Heat gun?

jwlj
September 18th, 2012, 11:35 AM
OP,
have you seen this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kspeed-Hyundai-11-12-Elantra-Avante-MD-Audi-Style-LED-Day-Light-Diy-Kit-DRL-/140748771913?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item20c547d249#ht_16916wt_1006

Another idea to try.
I'm thinking it might work for my CX-5.

Jed Desemone
September 18th, 2012, 03:21 PM
where'd you get your rods from? :)
how are you forming them? Heat gun?

real acrylic is on order still, what i used today is the curtain rod from homedepot.
just put it in my oven for about 3 min on 200


OP,
have you seen this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kspeed-Hyundai-11-12-Elantra-Avante-MD-Audi-Style-LED-Day-Light-Diy-Kit-DRL-/140748771913?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item20c547d249#ht_16916wt_1006

Another idea to try.
I'm thinking it might work for my CX-5.

yeah saw those, that was my idea for the healights. to bad they dont have them for the '13 genesis coupe otherwise i would scrap my ideas and just by it lol

jwlj
September 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
I'd like to know what materials they used.

Im keeping my eye on this thread to see how your project goes.
did you contact them to see if they are going to make a version for the new genesis?

soundman98
September 18th, 2012, 08:22 PM
and i'll take @soundman98's advice and pick up some regulators, btw would you mind pointing me toward some you would recommend? oh still have to order some Acrylic rod because i cant seem to find any place local that sells it.

regulators:

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PQ12RD21J00H/425-2287-5-ND/720313


acrylic:
http://www.tapplastics.com/

Jed Desemone
September 19th, 2012, 08:22 AM
Car is in the shop today... :(



I'd like to know what materials they used.

Im keeping my eye on this thread to see how your project goes.
did you contact them to see if they are going to make a version for the new genesis?

so would i. wow i feel stupid i never thought of asking them that lol....ill shoot them an email today


regulators:

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PQ12RD21J00H/425-2287-5-ND/720313


acrylic:
http://www.tapplastics.com/

great thanks, thats where where i ordered my acrylic from already

Jed Desemone
September 26th, 2012, 04:23 PM
ok acrylic finnally came in. started playing around with it today and heres what i have so far. the issue i just thought about was wiring, what will i do if i want to take my bumber off in the future? im thinking about going to the junk yard and just cutting some connectors off to use, and then wire them so when i do take the bumper off i can just disconnect them easily. also i havent figured out a good way to mount the LEDs on each end. suggestions?

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/IMG_20120926_161712.jpg
http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv236/Jedyboyrokr/IMG_20120926_160409.jpg

soundman98
September 26th, 2012, 09:54 PM
pretty much any clear-drying glue will work to affix the leds to the acrylic.

Jed Desemone
September 30th, 2012, 05:59 PM
i figured i might as well try and add foglights while im at it to so lucked out and found 2 sets of Blazer Fogs from an Oldsmobile Alero in the junkyard today. also found the projector fogs from a 3000GT and the projector fogs from a mazda millenia. is any of those worth picking up? i got the one set of blazers for $25